Writings on the Son and the Spirit?

The war of words in 2016(?) over the relationship of authority between the Father and the Son left a plethora of nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs and invectives on the battlefield.

(I still think Andrew Moody and Mark Baddeley’s response was the best).

But what about the relationship of authoirity between the Son and the Spirit?

Not wanting to start a new war :slight_smile: , just asking whether people here are able to recommend writings (or hearings, I guess) addressing this topic.

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Well, my guess is that the best you’ll find on that is the East/West debate on whether the Spirit is sent by the Father or the Father and the Son.

Wish I could help more.

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Thanks, Joseph. I think it’s an under-served area.

For any others who may be looking for texts, the following books may be helpful:

  • “The Father’s Spirit of Sonship”, Thomas Weinandy (found this fascinating)
  • “The Anointed Son”, Myk Habets (own it, haven’t read it)
  • “The Spirit of Truth”, ed. Myk Habets (own it, haven’t read it)

Myk Habets is not as trustworthy doctrinally as he was. Just a note for those like me who intend to read his books above.

@jtbayly As an aside, I reread “The Modern Trinity Debate in a One-Act Play” and thought you may remember whether in the discussions about Father and Son people referenced John 16:13 where it says the Spirit will not speak from his own authority. Was this raised?

I don’t actually remember that being discussed, but my memory is terrible, so I’ve probably just forgotten. Still, it’s an inescapable verse, so thank you for pointing it out.

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Speaking of inescapable, this was my reading this morning:

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. (1Corinthians 15:22-28)

The Father, “He is excepted” from being put in subjection.

The Son, He is put in subjection to the One Who subjected all things to Him.

This is how we need to think and speak because this is the Word of God, eternally true. The Holy Spirit knew men today would hate authority and try to deny our Lord’s Sonship to His Father’s Fatherhood, and He (the Holy Spirit) could have appeased us by explaining this subjection only pertained to our Lord’s work as the incarnate Savior and the residual effects of that work He retains seated at His Father’s right hand…

But He didn’t. And we oughtn’t. Love,

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