God commands that women not lead the church's worship

(Tim Bayly) #1

New Warhorn Media post by Tim Bayly:

(John Trocke) #2

Pastor Bayly, I have a related question to this issue. My 95 year old grandmother attends a church that has a female head pastor. Her funeral (when it comes) will most likely be lead by this woman. Should I have any reservations in attending? Thanks.

(Kelly) #3

It’s so refreshing when a man stands up and declares the word of God without hesitation or embarrassment.

(Daniel Meyer) #4

Dear John,

I think it would be helpful if you took the first swing at this. How do you read the Scriptures on this?

(John Trocke) #5


I am in total agreement that a woman leading any sort of church service, be it on Sunday morning or a funeral or a wedding, is an anathema. Scripture is clear! Regarding attending a funeral led by a woman, I am conflicted. Could my attendance be seen or construed as an endorsement of the situation? Possibly so, but I don’t expect the issue at hand or even my presence will be much on the minds of those around me, and unlike, say attending a sodomite wedding, the focus of the service (celebrating my grandmother’s joining Christ in heaven) is not a bad thing. So the question is therefore one of personal conviction – do I view my attendance as an active violation of scripture? I would say no, as I am not the one committing the sinful act; however, the question then becomes whether my attendance is a passive violation of scripture. Sitting there in the pew, even though I am not the individual committing the sinful action, is still in a way participating in an act I know displeases God.

Not attending the funeral over the issue would probably create some strife within the family. While unfortunate, I can’t allow the feelings or desires of my family to dictate my actions or my conscience. I could come up with some other excuse for not attending – but it is hard for me to think of one that doesn’t involve lying. I suppose I could be in the building, but sit outside the sanctuary while the service took place. Or perhaps I am making a mountain out of a mole hill!

(Daniel Meyer) #6

and unlike, say attending a sodomite wedding, the focus of the service (celebrating my grandmother’s joining Christ in heaven) is not a bad thing

I think your reasoning is good. I’d go to the funeral if it were me, because I wouldn’t want to miss out on the chance to grieve for my loved one, honor his memory, and comfort others.


(Tim Bayly) #7

Dear John, this is a tough question and will only become more frequent. Summed up, it is whether or not God’s order of creation and sexuality should divide the Church? Clearly the answer is yes, but then the application is difficult to the point of getting cross-eyed. So much depends upon relationships and context. More and more, we will find ourselves in the position that, say on vacation, our choice will be between feminist worship that is doctrinally orthodox and non-feminist worship that is liberal and/or sacramentalist. I choose the former regularly.

Concerning funerals, particularly, there is so very much that can be awful that truth spoken about God and salvation, and some little bit of sobriety couple with even a modicum of honesty about the deceased spoken by a woman is almost the best you can hope for, nowadays.

Anyhow, I cannot advise you about your grandmother because I do not know you or her. I’d ask my pastor, if I were you, but I tend to think I would attend. Love,

(John Trocke) #8

I appreciate the response Pastor Bayly. I will certainly discuss it with my pastor. Thank you.