Hyper-patriarchy

Dear Aaron,

I know people abuse authority but the discussion here is on the term hyper patriarchy. I’m arguing that it’s not a good term. Just call out the sin of those who abuse their authority when you see it. But I’ve seen the term hyper patriarchy just lobbed at anyone who holds to a view of make headship more encompassing than the person who uses the term.

So I’m not disagreeing that there are people abuse authority. A man who tries to force his wife into sexual immorality for example is abusing his authority. But is that a system of thought that can be identified as something we can call by definition hyper patriarchy.

I just don’t see the term as helpful especially when no agree on definition of it.

Do you understand why I despise the use of “authoritarian” by any of us? If so, same with regard to “hyper-patriarchal.” By association, it disses patriarchy.

Lots of other words come to mind. Male chauvinist. Masculinist. Black pill. Macho dude. Little man. Lecher. Adulterer. Barney Fife. Sleazebag. Solipsist… Love,

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You first asked if it was a straw man. And the answer to your initial question is unequivocally no. However much some may use it as a straw man, hyper-patriarchy is as real a thing as is hyper-Calvinism.

I’ve personally seen both.

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My guess is we’ve all seen both, although some of us may not have recognized what we were seeing. I remember the section of Man Who Moved the Mountain Joseph mentioned, and I don’t think the book ever spoke of “hyper-Calvinism.” However, much of the Reformed church—at least in our prayer—seems to be deist, which I think could rightly be condemned as “hyper-Calvinisim.”

On the other hand, with regard to reformed Biblical doctrine, I have always opposed calling it “Calvinism” when what it is in truth is simple Scriptural doctrine with man’s Fall and God’s glory restored to the primacy with which God’s Word presents them.

Patriarchy, on the other hand, is “father-rule,” which could not be more constant across the sacred text and flows from God the Father Almighty.

Maybe there are two discussions here that should be separated? First, the utility of the term “hyper-patriarchy” in preaching and teaching and pastoral care. And second, what constitutes the abuse of male authority for which our own men or we ourselves need to be rebuked; and those sins need to receive public censure?

I don’t think anyone here would deny that mothers and older siblings and kings and presidents and judges and elders and deacons and teachers and law enforcement officers and fathers and husbands and men abuse the authority of their position all the time. All of them. All of us.

So now how, and what are the lies we use to justify that abuse? Love,

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Dear brothers,

My concern is that the term hyper-patriarchy is not being used to describe an actual defined system but the use here is patriarchs being hyper. I therefore want to argue that it is not only unhelpful but actively harmful. It is a feminist rhetorical weapon, not a biblical category. Using it reinforces their framing and obscures our theological clarity. It turns what God calls good into something suspect.

The term originates in the 1990s and does not have a long or respectable history. One of its earliest uses was in describing post-Soviet Russia, but it was soon taken up in feminist dystopian fiction like The Handmaid’s Tale. The first person to define it formally did so in The Futurist magazine, presenting it as a nightmare scenario—a backlash to feminism where men regain dominance and oppress women. Since then, the term has been used primarily in feminist literature and leftist political critique to describe anything resembling biblical patriarchy.

The word hyper-patriarchy functions as a catch-all slur for any robust or historic expression of father-rule, male headship, or ordered gender roles. It collapses abuse, tradition, and biblical fidelity into one smear. It is not a neutral word. It comes preloaded with hostility toward the very structures that Scripture and nature affirm.

In more recent years, some complementarians have used the term in an attempt to distance themselves from biblical patriarchy. But in doing so, they adopted the vocabulary of those who despise patriarchy altogether. They pointed to fringe cases or abuses and labeled them hyper, not to offer careful biblical correction but to signal their alignment with softer modern sensibilities. And even then, there was no serious system of thought being critiqued—just a caricature.

Contrast this with something like hyper-Calvinism. That term refers to a real theological error with clear doctrinal distinctives, such as the denial of the well-meant offer of the gospel. It has been discussed, debated, and defined. It names a position. Hyper-patriarchy does not. It is not a school of thought. It is not a movement with coherent tenets. It is a slur.

Moreover, I question the wisdom of bringing feminist language into our work. Would it not be better to use biblical language to describe actual sin? Scripture and church history gives us words: harshness, tyranny, injustice, partiality, abuse of authority. These are clear and weighty. They carry divine authority. When we name sins with Scripture, we can point to chapter and verse. We ground the charge in God’s Word, not in cultural mood or personal discomfort.

The use of hyper-patriarchy shortcuts real argument. It paints with a broad brush and ends the conversation before it begins. It implies guilt without careful definition. It associates biblical fatherhood with brutality. And it allows men to dismiss what they have not yet disproven. That is not how shepherds ought to reason or speak.

If there are abuses of authority in homes or churches, then we can address them with precision. We can show from Scripture where sin is present. But we don’t not adopt the language of those who hate the good in order to critique the distortion of it.

That said I’m not opposed to a mocking term like super apostle.

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This is the stuff that’s obvious. But what about:

  • men who functionally deny their wives moral agency and independent thinking
  • men who treat their wives like children rather than equal image bearers
  • men who use submission to justify their own failure to repent
  • men who emphasise fruitfulness because they just like sex and the…posturing…that comes with having many children
  • men who fail to control their sexual urges and justify it with 1 Corinthians
  • men who fail to teach their wives and daughters theology
  • men who fail to help their wives and daughters to think well
  • men who take plenty of time for their own needs, desires, and hobbies while their wives languish in their responsibilities in the home
  • men who respond to Evangelicalism’s mockery of the Pastoral Epistles’ instructions that women are to practice hospitality and bear children by functionally reducing women’s roles in the church to only making sandwiches and bearing (I almost said ‘making’) children
  • men who assume women are incapable of deep thought
  • men who forget that the songs of Miriam, Hannah, and Mary are inspired as sacred scripture
  • men who ignore the example of Priscilla and Aquila with Apollos

And so many more. These are much harder to quantify… but they’re certainly in the water, again, in our circles.

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Very helpful.

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When I hear you shouting as loudly against the problem the word represents as you are against the word itself, then I’ll shut up.

If there’s anything I’ve learned from @tbbayly (and there are many things I’ve learned from him), it’s to let the dead bury their own dead: our main battle is against our own sin and the sins rampant within our own camps.

The same is true of the word “patriarchy.” Therefore, if I’m convinced of the lack of wisdom of using one, I will be convinced of the lack of wisdom of using the other. If we are willing to own ourselves patriarchalists, we must be willing to have enemies to the right of us. Call them what you will.

The term “Calvinist” was a slur when it was first used. So was “Christian.” Maybe we shouldn’t call ourselves Calvinists, but it sure makes it easy to refer to a particular set of doctrinal positions that are narrower than “Reformed.”

I see the point, yes. But none of those terms, except Male chauvinist, don’t imply anything to the “right" of us. Nor do they imply any sort of Position that can be argued against. Furthermore, I don’t think adding “hyper” to a word is the same as using the word itself as a slur. In other words, the point of adding hyper to calvinism was to distinguish Calvinism from what many people thought Calvin taught. The same is true of “hyper-patriarchal.”

It may be unwise to preach against hyper-patriarchy by name, but it certainly isn’t unwise to preach against it.

I’m rambling. I best stop. :slight_smile:

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There is such a thing as a former atheist who discovers repentance and faith in our Lord Jesus, then marriage, then father-rule and fatherhood, then female submission, then covenant, then covenant promises in the New Testament, then paedobaptism, then Scotch, then beards, then pumping iron, then bowhunting, then taking pictures of his beard and himself out on the mountain, then his wife’s texts and socials’ posts extolling him as a “godly husband,” the “world’s best father,” “such a wonderful patriarch who is sooo easy to submit to.” Some time passes and his pastor or one of his elders teaches something that angers his wife (say homeschooled children don’t know how to wait in a line, for instance) and he sees what his wife is getting at: their pastor and or elder is going soft and not matching up as well with Moscow and Ogden as he used to, meaning they both see they have to protect themselves and their children from any deleterious influence from that pastor and elder, and the other simpletons of the church who listen to them so trustingly. The wife points out to the husband that some of the children in the kids’ catechism class aren’t well-disciplined, and then askes her husband, "Honey, can’t we catechize our children ourselves? I’d feel much more comfortable if Elizabeth Anyston and Theodore Augustine Calvin were not spending time each week away from our influence among peers whose parents we don’t trust.

“And by the way, my eminently godly patriarch, I think I can see our pastor’s influence on his wife in the women’s Bible study each week. The things she says just don’t set well with me. What do you think, My Great Patriarch?”

Of course he agrees with Eve, and thus announces to the men of the church drinking coffee next Lord’s Day that they want to build their own thousand year covenant succession spiritual legacy, and have decided they should catechize their own children and he should teach his own wife. You know it’s Biblical, right? “Let her ask HER OWN HUSBAND!”

Most of this account is real and I recount it to say I first had to rebuke these things back in 1983 or 1984. The man who had refused to allow his wife to attend the women’s Bible study was in a church with a pastor and his wife whom, to this day, I have less than a handful of pastors and their wives I respect for their godliness nearly as much as these two—and this nearly half a century later.

So what to do? Argue over what to call this sin?

Sure, if the goal is to have arguments. But if the goal is to shepherd God’s flock, which I’m under the impression that most of us have as our calling, then what’s to be done is to grow in our faithfulness and ability to rebuke and censure such sinful pride and faithlesness of fathers and mothers in OUR OWN churches. Love,

PS: After reading this to Mary Lee, a question. I rebuked this man for his sinful abuse of father-rule more than forty years ago, and have rebuked such abuse of authority constantly across the years. Are we all agreed that in our churches this kind of rebuke is needed, and therefore being done constantly, and that this soul-wearying work surrounding the proper uses and abuses of father-rule we all do all the time has caused every one of us to lose at least 25-50 souls (parents and children) from our congregation over the past ten years?

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I’m proud of you men who said you liked this because I’m thinking it indicates that you actually recognize and discipline masculinist sin. It’s hard, so God bless you. Love

I’m not a great fan of RJ Rushdoony, but this article has given me much to think about in the years since I have read it.

It starts off by observing that

Slander shifts its ground readily, because it is concerned with what will hurt rather than what is true. In different eras, different charges hurt the most. What in one period may be a hurtful accusation may become a compliment in another day.

Today, those who follow the Biblical model for men and women in society are considered retrograde, chavinistic, and oppressors of women. Patriarchy is a four letter word.

In some past time periods, the reverse was true.

As Gillian Lewis and Roger Stauffenegger have pointed out, Calvin’s Geneva came to be known as “the paradise of women.” (“Calvinism in Geneva in the Time of Calvin and of Beza (1545-1605),” in Menna Prestwich, ed.: International Calvinism 1541-171.5, p.49. Oxford, England: Clarendon Press, [1985] 1986.) There were good reasons for this. Calvin was strongly protective of “women’s rights.”

It would be an error to say that the pastors of Geneva were always wise in their judgments in cases involving women. What is clear is that Calvinist Geneva was seen in its day as “the paradise of women” because of the receptivity of Calvin and others to their plight and their need for justice.

The bible has clear teaching in men and women. Many call it patriarchy. It’s as good a term as any other, although it’s quite the stretch to call it a Biblical term.
Hyper-Patriarchy may be used as a slander by some, but I find it hard to believe anyone uses it slanderously because they think Patriarchy is a good term. Both words are equally slanderous in their eyes.
Pick a different word if you don’t like Hyper-Patriarchy. But don’t delude yourself by thinking it doesn’t exist. Don’t think you are following the Reformers or other fathers in the faith by doing so.

A refusal to name those who want to sinfully push women down is wrong… flat, plain, and simple. The fact that many feminists despise the teachings of Michael Pearl (for instance) is no reason not to oppose his errors.

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